Community Colleges Episodes
Sept. 21, 2025
If You're Not Tracking This Data, You're Already Behind - with Dr. Nick Swayne, President, North Idaho College
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In this episode, President Series #403, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Nick Swayne, President, North Idaho College
YOUR host is Dr. Jodi Blinco, Vice President for Enrollment Management Consulting, EducationDynamics
How do you achieve 30% enrollment growth while most institutions struggle with declining numbers?
What does it take to build real-time...
In this episode, President Series #403, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Nick Swayne, President, North Idaho College
YOUR host is Dr. Jodi Blinco, Vice President for Enrollment Management Consulting, EducationDynamics
How do you achieve 30% enrollment growth while most institutions struggle with declining numbers?
What does it take to build real-time...
Sept. 14, 2025
How to Grow Enrollment 31 Years Running: The Tag Team Strategy - Dr. Peggy Heinrich, President, & Dr. Annamarie Schopen, VP of Teaching, Learning, & Student Development, Elgin Community College
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In this episode, President Series #400, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guests are Dr. Peggy Heinrich, President, & Dr. Annamarie Schopen, Vice President of Teaching, Learning, & Student Development, Elgin Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How does a community college maintain growth when most are facing enrollment declines?
What does it take to ser...
In this episode, President Series #400, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guests are Dr. Peggy Heinrich, President, & Dr. Annamarie Schopen, Vice President of Teaching, Learning, & Student Development, Elgin Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How does a community college maintain growth when most are facing enrollment declines?
What does it take to ser...
Sept. 9, 2025
What Happens When AI Meets 116 Community Colleges? - with Dr. Rowena M. Tomaneng, Deputy Chancellor, California Community Colleges Chancellor’s Office
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Rowena M. Tomaneng, Deputy Chancellor, California Community Colleges Chancellor’s Office
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How do you lead the largest higher education system in the nation with 116 colleges & 2.2 million students?
What does it take to transition from college president to system-level leadership?
How do you balance innov...
In this episode, sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Rowena M. Tomaneng, Deputy Chancellor, California Community Colleges Chancellor’s Office
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How do you lead the largest higher education system in the nation with 116 colleges & 2.2 million students?
What does it take to transition from college president to system-level leadership?
How do you balance innov...
Sept. 8, 2025
(Extended Conversation) Why Starting in 3rd Grade Will Transform Higher Education Forever - with Dr. Steven Bloomberg, Chancellor, Kern Community College District
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series #399, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Steven Bloomberg, Chancellor, Kern Community College District
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How do you serve 50,000 students across 27,000 square miles with the same level of customer service?
What does authentic leadership look like when managing three colleges & thousands of emplo...
In this episode, President Series #399, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Steven Bloomberg, Chancellor, Kern Community College District
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How do you serve 50,000 students across 27,000 square miles with the same level of customer service?
What does authentic leadership look like when managing three colleges & thousands of emplo...
Sept. 4, 2025
HigherEd PodCon II - The Big Reveal! - with Dr. Michael Baston President, Cuyahoga Community College (Tri-C)
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, sponsored by the 2026 HigherEd PodCon II
YOUR guest is Dr. Michael Baston, President & CEO of Cuyahoga Community College (Tri-C)
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
What happens when HigherEd PodCon II comes to Cleveland on July 16-17, 2026 at Tri-C campus?
How does a community college president build a podcast studio from the ground up to help small businesses compete with big corporations?
Why does this president believe "unchallenged narrativ...
In this episode, sponsored by the 2026 HigherEd PodCon II
YOUR guest is Dr. Michael Baston, President & CEO of Cuyahoga Community College (Tri-C)
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
What happens when HigherEd PodCon II comes to Cleveland on July 16-17, 2026 at Tri-C campus?
How does a community college president build a podcast studio from the ground up to help small businesses compete with big corporations?
Why does this president believe "unchallenged narrativ...
Aug. 19, 2025
(Sneak Peek) How This College Is Preparing for Jobs That Don't Exist Yet - with Dr. Tiffany Hernandez, President, Glendale Community College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series #394, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Tiffany Hernandez, President, Glendale Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Glendale Community College innovating with real world cybersecurity training through municipal partnerships?
What does it mean to offer bachelor's degrees at community college tuition rates...
In this episode, President Series #394, powered by Ellucian, & sponsored by the 2026 InsightsEDU Conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, February 17-19,
YOUR guest is Dr. Tiffany Hernandez, President, Glendale Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Glendale Community College innovating with real world cybersecurity training through municipal partnerships?
What does it mean to offer bachelor's degrees at community college tuition rates...
Aug. 11, 2025
Are YOU Ready for the Future of Community College Leadership? - with Dr. Jermaine F. Williams, President, Montgomery College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
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In this episode, President Series #392, powered by Ellucian,
YOUR guest is Dr. Jermaine F. Williams, President, Montgomery College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Noreen Golfman, Former Provost, Podcaster, & Studiosity Advisory Board Member
...
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In this episode, President Series #392, powered by Ellucian,
YOUR guest is Dr. Jermaine F. Williams, President, Montgomery College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Noreen Golfman, Former Provost, Podcaster, & Studiosity Advisory Board Member
...
July 20, 2025
Why Technical Colleges Are Having Their Moment in Higher Education - with Dr. Richard G. Barnhouse, President & CEO, Waukesha County Technical College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
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In this episode, President Series #384, powered by Ellucian,
YOUR guest is Dr. Richard G. Barnhouse, President & CEO, Waukesha County Technical College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Amanda Micheli, Student Success Specialist, Rice University...
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In this episode, President Series #384, powered by Ellucian,
YOUR guest is Dr. Richard G. Barnhouse, President & CEO, Waukesha County Technical College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Amanda Micheli, Student Success Specialist, Rice University...
June 22, 2025
How GateWay Community College Juggles Clock Hours, Credits & Bachelor's Degrees Like "Chainsaws on Fire" - with Tom Nevill, Vice President of Academic Affairs, GateWay Community College
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In this episode, sponsored by Coursedog
YOUR guest is Tom Nevill, Vice President of Academic Affairs, GateWay Community College
YOUR cohost is Bridget Moran , Senior Content Manager at Coursedog
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How does GateWay Community College manage complex program versions across clock hour, credit & non-credit programs?
What makes registered apprenticeships challenging to implement & how do community college...
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In this episode, sponsored by Coursedog
YOUR guest is Tom Nevill, Vice President of Academic Affairs, GateWay Community College
YOUR cohost is Bridget Moran , Senior Content Manager at Coursedog
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How does GateWay Community College manage complex program versions across clock hour, credit & non-credit programs?
What makes registered apprenticeships challenging to implement & how do community college...
June 9, 2025
Why 'Permission to Play' is the Leadership Secret of Silicon Valley's Top Community College Chancellor - with Lee Lambert, Chancellor & CEO, Foothill-De Anza Community College District
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series #373, (Powered By Ellucian ), & brought to YOU by HigherEd PodCon
YOUR guest is Lee Lambert , Chancellor & CEO, Foothill-De Anza Community College District
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Foothill-De Anza positioned within Silicon Valley's tech ecosystem?
What leadership approaches help navigate today's complex higher education landscape?
How can college leaders effectively embrace technological innovation?
Why...
In this episode, President Series #373, (Powered By Ellucian ), & brought to YOU by HigherEd PodCon
YOUR guest is Lee Lambert , Chancellor & CEO, Foothill-De Anza Community College District
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Foothill-De Anza positioned within Silicon Valley's tech ecosystem?
What leadership approaches help navigate today's complex higher education landscape?
How can college leaders effectively embrace technological innovation?
Why...
May 26, 2025
What Employers Will Pay $10,000 For - with Dr. Jeff Pittman, Chancellor, St. Louis Community College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series #370, (Powered By Ellucian), & brought to YOU by HigherEd PodCon
YOUR guest is Dr. Jeff Pittman, Chancellor, St. Louis Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is St. Louis Community College experiencing enrollment recovery post-pandemic?
What role do community colleges play in meeting workforce needs?
How are new campus buildings targeting high-need workforce sectors?
What innovative employer partne...
In this episode, President Series #370, (Powered By Ellucian), & brought to YOU by HigherEd PodCon
YOUR guest is Dr. Jeff Pittman, Chancellor, St. Louis Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is St. Louis Community College experiencing enrollment recovery post-pandemic?
What role do community colleges play in meeting workforce needs?
How are new campus buildings targeting high-need workforce sectors?
What innovative employer partne...
Jan. 30, 2025
What Community Colleges Must Do To Win The Value Proposition Battle - with Dr. George Timmons, President, Holyoke Community College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #336, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. George Timmons, President, Holyoke Community College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Larry Schall, President, New England Commission of Higher Education
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
This episode highlights the transformative work happening at Holyoke Community College & the broader impact of community colleges in higher education. Dr. ...
In this episode, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #336, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. George Timmons, President, Holyoke Community College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Larry Schall, President, New England Commission of Higher Education
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
This episode highlights the transformative work happening at Holyoke Community College & the broader impact of community colleges in higher education. Dr. ...
Jan. 4, 2025
How Free Community College Drives 20% Enrollment Growth - with Dr. Laura Douglas, President, Bristol Community College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #1,001, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #324, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Laura Douglas, President, Bristol Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How did free community college drive 20% enrollment growth?
What makes offshore wind training a game-changer for workforce development?
How are navigators transforming the student onboardi...
In this episode, #1,001, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #324, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Laura Douglas, President, Bristol Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How did free community college drive 20% enrollment growth?
What makes offshore wind training a game-changer for workforce development?
How are navigators transforming the student onboardi...
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Nov. 27, 2024
992: Community, Partnerships & Purpose - with Dr. Warren Hilton, President, Onondaga Community College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #992, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #320, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Warren Hilton, President, Onondaga Community College (OCC)
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is OCC partnering with Micron on their historic $100B investment?
What role do navigators play in their student success strategy?
How are they achieving...
In this episode, #992, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #320, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Warren Hilton, President, Onondaga Community College (OCC)
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is OCC partnering with Micron on their historic $100B investment?
What role do navigators play in their student success strategy?
How are they achieving...
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Nov. 21, 2024
989: The Power of Accessibility - with Dr. Marta Yera Cronin, President, Delaware County Community College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #989, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #318, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Marta Yera Cronin, President, Delaware County Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Laurie Shanderson, Host, EdUp Accreditation Insights
How does Marta's first-gen immigrant experience shape her leadership approach?
What innovative strategies is Marta implementing to support 16...
In this episode, #989, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #318, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Marta Yera Cronin, President, Delaware County Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Laurie Shanderson, Host, EdUp Accreditation Insights
How does Marta's first-gen immigrant experience shape her leadership approach?
What innovative strategies is Marta implementing to support 16...
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Nov. 12, 2024
983: Global & Local - with Dr. Mike Flores, Chancellor, Alamo Colleges District
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #983, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #315, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Mike Flores, Chancellor, Alamo Colleges District
YOUR host is Dr. LaNitra Berger, President & Chair of the Board of Directors at NAFSA, & Associate Professor, History & Art History & Director of the African & African American Studies Program at George Mason University
YOUR coh...
In this episode, #983, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #315, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Mike Flores, Chancellor, Alamo Colleges District
YOUR host is Dr. LaNitra Berger, President & Chair of the Board of Directors at NAFSA, & Associate Professor, History & Art History & Director of the African & African American Studies Program at George Mason University
YOUR coh...
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Oct. 28, 2024
974: Transforming Lives Through Access - with Dr. Kate Smith, President, Rio Salado College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #974, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #311, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Kate Smith, President, Rio Salado College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Jodi (Ashbrook) Blinco, Vice President for Enrollment Management Consulting, EducationDynamics
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Rio Salado serving 40k learners through innovative delivery models?
What strategies...
In this episode, #974, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #311, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Kate Smith, President, Rio Salado College
YOUR cohost is Dr. Jodi (Ashbrook) Blinco, Vice President for Enrollment Management Consulting, EducationDynamics
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Rio Salado serving 40k learners through innovative delivery models?
What strategies...
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Oct. 22, 2024
971: Breaking Barriers & Building Bridges - with Dr. Maria Minerva (Minita) Ramirez, President, Laredo College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #971, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #310, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Maria Minerva (Minita) Ramirez, President, Laredo College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Laredo College adapting its academic model to serve diverse student populations?
What strategies is Laredo using to ensure affordability & access for its community?
How is the c...
In this episode, #971, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #310, & brought to YOU by the MSCHE 2024 conference, & the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Maria Minerva (Minita) Ramirez, President, Laredo College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Laredo College adapting its academic model to serve diverse student populations?
What strategies is Laredo using to ensure affordability & access for its community?
How is the c...
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Oct. 7, 2024
961: Transforming Urban Education - with Dr. James Limbaugh, President, West Los Angeles College
It's YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #961, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #304, & brought to YOU by the Alliance for Innovation & Transformation
YOUR guest is Dr. James Limbaugh, President, West Los Angeles College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is West Los Angeles College innovating its community college model for today's students?
What strategies is West LA College employing to address climate change education?
How is the college balancing workforce developmen...
In this episode, #961, President Series (Powered By Ellucian) #304, & brought to YOU by the Alliance for Innovation & Transformation
YOUR guest is Dr. James Limbaugh, President, West Los Angeles College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is West Los Angeles College innovating its community college model for today's students?
What strategies is West LA College employing to address climate change education?
How is the college balancing workforce developmen...
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Sept. 9, 2024
947: Innovation in Action - with Dr. DeAnna Burt-Nanna, President, Monroe Community College
It’s YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #947, President Series #297, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. DeAnna Burt-Nanna, President, Monroe Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Monroe Community College adapting to serve a diverse student population?
What strategies is DeAnna employing to boost enrollment & retention in challenging times?
How is MCC balancing workforce development with providing comprehensive education?
Wha...
In this episode, #947, President Series #297, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. DeAnna Burt-Nanna, President, Monroe Community College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Monroe Community College adapting to serve a diverse student population?
What strategies is DeAnna employing to boost enrollment & retention in challenging times?
How is MCC balancing workforce development with providing comprehensive education?
Wha...
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Aug. 20, 2024
941: Community College 2.0 - with Dr. Chad Brown, President, Zane State College
It’s YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, #941, President Series #294, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Chad Brown, President, Zane State College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Zane State College adapting to serve students in rural central Ohio?
What strategies is Chad employing to grow enrollment & add new programs?
How is Zane State balancing workforce needs with providing a well-rounded education?
What unique challenges & opportunities c...
In this episode, #941, President Series #294, & brought to YOU by the InsightsEDU 2025 conference
YOUR guest is Dr. Chad Brown, President, Zane State College
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How is Zane State College adapting to serve students in rural central Ohio?
What strategies is Chad employing to grow enrollment & add new programs?
How is Zane State balancing workforce needs with providing a well-rounded education?
What unique challenges & opportunities c...
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May 6, 2024
880: Championing Equity in Challenging Times - with Dr. John J. “Ski” Sygielski, President & CEO, HACC, Central Pennsylvania’s Community College
It’s YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series #274, brought to YOU by Jenzabar's Annual Meeting (JAM 2024),
YOUR guest is Dr. John J. “Ski” Sygielski, President & CEO, HACC, Central Pennsylvania’s Community College,
YOUR cohost is Maureen Murphy, Retired President, College of Southern Maryland
YOUR host is Dr. Michelle Cantu-Wilson, Owner of Vida Consulting for Higher Education & Trustee at San Jacinto College,
How is Dr. Sygielski working to address structural racism &...
In this episode, President Series #274, brought to YOU by Jenzabar's Annual Meeting (JAM 2024),
YOUR guest is Dr. John J. “Ski” Sygielski, President & CEO, HACC, Central Pennsylvania’s Community College,
YOUR cohost is Maureen Murphy, Retired President, College of Southern Maryland
YOUR host is Dr. Michelle Cantu-Wilson, Owner of Vida Consulting for Higher Education & Trustee at San Jacinto College,
How is Dr. Sygielski working to address structural racism &...
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April 8, 2024
852: Belonging: A Million Dollar Mission - with Dr. Angel Reyna, President, Madera Community College
It’s YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series #270
YOUR guest is Dr. Angel Reyna, President, Madera Community College
YOUR cohost is Douglas A.J. Carlson, Head of Partnerships - Americas, LeadSquared
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How has Dr. Reyna's personal journey shaped his commitment to serving students at Madera Community College?
What strategies has Madera Community College employed to grow enrollment & support student success?
How is Madera Community College leveraging its...
In this episode, President Series #270
YOUR guest is Dr. Angel Reyna, President, Madera Community College
YOUR cohost is Douglas A.J. Carlson, Head of Partnerships - Americas, LeadSquared
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
How has Dr. Reyna's personal journey shaped his commitment to serving students at Madera Community College?
What strategies has Madera Community College employed to grow enrollment & support student success?
How is Madera Community College leveraging its...
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March 18, 2024
844: The Bowtie President - with Dr. Tim Cook, President, Clackamas Community College
It’s YOUR time to #EdUp
In this episode, President Series #266
YOUR guest is Dr. Tim Cook, President, Clackamas Community College
YOUR cohost is Sania Khan, VP, Innovation, Ellucian
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
YOUR sponsor is Rize Education
Want to gain insights from a first-generation college president on how to lead with empathy & understanding?
Want to explore the innovative programs & services community colleges are implementing to support student success?
Want to get a glimpse into th...
In this episode, President Series #266
YOUR guest is Dr. Tim Cook, President, Clackamas Community College
YOUR cohost is Sania Khan, VP, Innovation, Ellucian
YOUR host is Dr. Joe Sallustio
YOUR sponsor is Rize Education
Want to gain insights from a first-generation college president on how to lead with empathy & understanding?
Want to explore the innovative programs & services community colleges are implementing to support student success?
Want to get a glimpse into th...